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Interestingly enough, in a Chancellor Forever scenario I made in 2008, I put Stormark as having a population of 60,214,867 persons. Here are some of the other demographics:

 

Ethnic Groups

Norweigan 30%

Swedish 30%

Danish 30%

Icelandic 4%

Celtic 4%

Finnish 2%

 

Religion

Lutheran Christian 75%

Catholic Christian 10%

Neo-Pagan 10%

Atheist/Secular 5%

 

Geography

Rural 45%

Suburban 30%

Urban 25%

 

And with this history:

 

History of Stormark

960- Stormark is first discovered by Viking raiders travelling from Scandanavia.

1005- Vikings begin settling in Stormark to take advantage of cod and pike fisheries.

1080- Stormark Vikings officially convert to Christianity

1300-Stormark's various Viking tribes are finally united under Hagar the Red.

1600-King of Stormark and various Princes declare Lutheran Christianity the state church.

1700-Soveign Viking Emperor title created along with an absolute monarchy.

1848-Stormark explodes into a 20-year civil war after a bourgeois revolution overthrows Emperor.

1868- Stormark invaded and annexed by the Grand Duchy of Holzborg.

1880- Massive settlement occurs in Stormark due to economic boom and discovery of copper, iron and coal deposits.

1905-Stormark declares independence from Holzborg; Sovereign Viking Emperor title re-established.

1910-Althling re-established and Constitutional Monarchy developed; manufacturing and other industries emerge.

1932-1939: Great Northern War erupts and concludes with a Stormark victory over Holzborg, Germania, and Batavia

1944-1959: Social Democrats defeat Conservatives after 34 years of Conservative dominance; establish welfare state.

1959-1969: Conservative-Liberal coalition governs Stormark and begins investing in the oil industry.

1969-1980: Social Democrats and Liberal coalition governments unleash "sexual revolution" upon Stormark

1980-1999: Conservative resurgence; Stormark lurches towards free market economy and undergoes a "religious counter-revolution"

1999-2004: Social Democrats-Venstre government governs Rocentia with moderate socialist agenda and begins tackling environmental issues.

2004: Konservative-Fremskrittspartiet government establishes formal alliance with the Empire of the Alexandrians; Micro World War III breaks out

2005: Stormark avenges Alexandria's defeat against Arminy and helps liberate Alexandrian territories from Islamist insurgents

2007: Stormark overtakes micronational rivals in such fields as defense, steel, computers, finance; and reaches top tier of socially and economically developed nations

2008: Konservative-Fremskrittspartiet government calls early Althling elections after Social Democrats and the Greens win several regional assembly elections

 

 

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And here are the political parties in the Stormark election:

 

Konservative The ruling center-right conservative party. Has some Christian Democratic elements. Socially conservative, hawkish on foreign policy, pro-military, pro-monarchy and pragmatic/centrist on economics.

Social Democrats Official center-left opposition. Social Democratic Party with progressive elements. Socially liberal, dovish on foreign policy, neutral on the monarchy, pro welfare state and supporter of economic inteventionism.

Venstre "Left" Centrist/Liberal party. Socially liberal but pragmatic on most other issues with the exception of being laissez-faire and conservative on some economic issues.

Fremskrittspartiet "Progress Party" Right-wing coalition partner. Combines jingoism, social conservatism, and populism with a libertarian approach to economics.

The Greens Left-wing protest party. Includes former communists, socialists to the left of the Social Democrats, and ecologists. Focused on environmental issues but also to the left of the Social Democrats on every issue.

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I still don't like the idea of the population being so heavily Christian, and no mention of Asatru/Heathen/Forn Sed anywhere.

 

And, no, "Neo-Pagan" is not an appropriate term for Asatru.

 

As for the political parties...I'm not sure I like the description of the Green Party, as the description itself denigrates and marginalizes the party.

 

Being of Green tendencies myself, I'm not sure I like the party being described as a "protest party", which suggests it is not possible for it to be a full and legitimate party, or to be where "former Communists" ended up. Why can't Communists still have their own party? They're in an extreme minority, but, still. I can tell you, that while I'm an environmentalist and very liberal socially, and in favor of government limitations on corporations (I'm also very close to Social Democrats politically), I don't have a lot in common with Communists.

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I still don't like the idea of the population being so heavily Christian, and no mention of Asatru/Heathen/Forn Sed anywhere.

 

And, no, "Neo-Pagan" is not an appropriate term for Asatru.

 

As for the political parties...I'm not sure I like the description of the Green Party, as the description itself denigrates and marginalizes the party.

 

Being of Green tendencies myself, I'm not sure I like the party being described as a "protest party", which suggests it is not possible for it to be a full and legitimate party, or to be where "former Communists" ended up. Why can't Communists still have their own party? They're in an extreme minority, but, still. I can tell you, that while I'm an environmentalist and very liberal socially, and in favor of government limitations on corporations (I'm also very close to Social Democrats politically), I don't have a lot in common with Communists.

 

Harald preferred that the Stormark in the game would be more Christian, and the Neo-Pagan was supposed to include Asatru/Heathen, etc.

 

And yes, the Communists are an extreme minority in the Greens as it is led by the ecologist faction. And it is a protest party, as it prefers to stay out of government and provide a "check" on the center-right and center-left. Plus it's the only party explicitly committed to abolishing the monarchy.

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I still don't like the idea of the population being so heavily Christian, and no mention of Asatru/Heathen/Forn Sed anywhere.

 

And, no, "Neo-Pagan" is not an appropriate term for Asatru.

 

As for the political parties...I'm not sure I like the description of the Green Party, as the description itself denigrates and marginalizes the party.

 

Being of Green tendencies myself, I'm not sure I like the party being described as a "protest party", which suggests it is not possible for it to be a full and legitimate party, or to be where "former Communists" ended up. Why can't Communists still have their own party? They're in an extreme minority, but, still. I can tell you, that while I'm an environmentalist and very liberal socially, and in favor of government limitations on corporations (I'm also very close to Social Democrats politically), I don't have a lot in common with Communists.

 

Your Most Imperial and Most Royal Highness,

 

The Stormark in that game is, within the limits imposed by the game itself, based on the several macronational Scandinavian countries. The "real" Stormark is, of course, a whole other ball game.

 

 

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Harald preferred that the Stormark in the game would be more Christian, and the Neo-Pagan was supposed to include Asatru/Heathen, etc.

 

Indeed. And Neo-Pagan is, within the context and limitations imposed by of the game, an umbrella term.

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Your Most Imperial and Most Royal Highness,

 

The Stormark in that game is, within the limits imposed by the game itself, based on the several macronational Scandinavian countries. The "real" Stormark is, of course, a whole other ball game.

 

Indeed. The real Stormark is a globe spanning empire. The Stormark in the game is far cry from that. The religious composition within the real Stormark does also differs greatly between the several parts of Stormark.

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Indeed. The real Stormark is a globe spanning empire. The Stormark in the game is far cry from that. The religious composition within the real Stormark does also differs greatly between the several parts of Stormark.

 

On the Sólareyjar over 90% of the population is pagan.

 

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Interestingly enough, in a Chancellor Forever scenario I made in 2008, I put Stormark as having a population of 60,214,867 persons. Here are some of the other demographics:

 

Ethnic Groups

Norweigan 30%

Swedish 30%

Danish 30%

Icelandic 4%

Celtic 4%

Finnish 2%

 

Religion

Lutheran Christian 75%

Catholic Christian 10%

Neo-Pagan 10%

Atheist/Secular 5%

 

Geography

Rural 45%

Suburban 30%

Urban 25%

 

And with this history:

 

History of Stormark

960- Stormark is first discovered by Viking raiders travelling from Scandanavia.

1005- Vikings begin settling in Stormark to take advantage of cod and pike fisheries.

1080- Stormark Vikings officially convert to Christianity

1300-Stormark's various Viking tribes are finally united under Hagar the Red.

1600-King of Stormark and various Princes declare Lutheran Christianity the state church.

1700-Soveign Viking Emperor title created along with an absolute monarchy.

1848-Stormark explodes into a 20-year civil war after a bourgeois revolution overthrows Emperor.

1868- Stormark invaded and annexed by the Grand Duchy of Holzborg.

1880- Massive settlement occurs in Stormark due to economic boom and discovery of copper, iron and coal deposits.

1905-Stormark declares independence from Holzborg; Sovereign Viking Emperor title re-established.

1910-Althling re-established and Constitutional Monarchy developed; manufacturing and other industries emerge.

1932-1939: Great Northern War erupts and concludes with a Stormark victory over Holzborg, Germania, and Batavia

1944-1959: Social Democrats defeat Conservatives after 34 years of Conservative dominance; establish welfare state.

1959-1969: Conservative-Liberal coalition governs Stormark and begins investing in the oil industry.

1969-1980: Social Democrats and Liberal coalition governments unleash "sexual revolution" upon Stormark

1980-1999: Conservative resurgence; Stormark lurches towards free market economy and undergoes a "religious counter-revolution"

1999-2004: Social Democrats-Venstre government governs Rocentia with moderate socialist agenda and begins tackling environmental issues.

2004: Konservative-Fremskrittspartiet government establishes formal alliance with the Empire of the Alexandrians; Micro World War III breaks out

2005: Stormark avenges Alexandria's defeat against Arminy and helps liberate Alexandrian territories from Islamist insurgents

2007: Stormark overtakes micronational rivals in such fields as defense, steel, computers, finance; and reaches top tier of socially and economically developed nations

2008: Konservative-Fremskrittspartiet government calls early Althling elections after Social Democrats and the Greens win several regional assembly elections

 

So what did you guys think of this alternate Stormark history? :emperor:

 

And if you were to be in it, what party and name would you take? (Since naturally nobility would avoid politics, or would use their real names instead of noble titles).

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It is a good history. However, I don't get how Holzborg annexes Stormark and it becomes independent in 37 years. Granted countries could be annexed in the heat of chaos or civil war, but even back in the day it was a rare occurance, especially with Scandinavian countries.

 

Well, Norway was annexed by Denmark for quite a while, then Sweden; and Iceland was ruled by Denmark. I just figured Holzborg would serve as a Prussia for Micras, and would have created a Germanic-speaking Empire until its collapse from 1900-1918.

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Well, Norway wasn't annexed outright by Denmark, it was in a personal union with Denmark, which was then annexed by Sweden, and Iceland was taken early in Iceland's history, both of which happened before the modern era (minus Sweden). I'm not saying the Prussia part doesn't make sense, but a well-established nation just falling and gaining independence so quick is a bit odd.

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Well, Norway wasn't annexed outright by Denmark, it was in a personal union with Denmark, which was then annexed by Sweden, and Iceland was taken early in Iceland's history, both of which happened before the modern era (minus Sweden). I'm not saying the Prussia part doesn't make sense, but a well-established nation just falling and gaining independence so quick is a bit odd.

 

A good point, but I figure basically the union-annexation was discovered to be unworkable and Stormark difficult to govern from Holzborg; But I just picked the first date at random, and the second one because that was the date Norway separated from Sweden. Plus it makes for interesting history.

 

Anyways, my character for Stormark that I liked the most was Magnus Rasmussen (with Stellan Skarsgaard as his avatar).

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I would say this, if you want annexation to work, and it is an interesting idea, you have to make it part of a long process of weakening, not just from within, but from without. A rivalry, Holzborg strangles Stormark economically, one side of the civil war brings in Holzborg, or Stormark just has fewer people, all of which can be expressed with one line. Otherwise, it just makes Stormark look like a pushover, which we Vikings never are! ;)

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I would say this, if you want annexation to work, and it is an interesting idea, you have to make it part of a long process of weakening, not just from within, but from without. A rivalry, Holzborg strangles Stormark economically, one side of the civil war brings in Holzborg, or Stormark just has fewer people, all of which can be expressed with one line. Otherwise, it just makes Stormark look like a pushover, which we Vikings never are! ;)

 

What about a scenario like the annexation of Hawaii by the US?

 

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I would say this, if you want annexation to work, and it is an interesting idea, you have to make it part of a long process of weakening, not just from within, but from without. A rivalry, Holzborg strangles Stormark economically, one side of the civil war brings in Holzborg, or Stormark just has fewer people, all of which can be expressed with one line. Otherwise, it just makes Stormark look like a pushover, which we Vikings never are! ;)

 

Well it was because the civil war between the liberals and royalists left the country weakened and without a functioning government, Holzborg was able to move in and occupy it. Stormark's population was smaller and did accept it since Holzborg was perceived as being Germanic brethren. Eventually though, Holzborg became more concerned about its other enemies and evacuated most of its troops- and basically Stormark won independence in return for accepting its status as a protectorate of Holzborg. The protectorate ended however after Holzborg's defeat in MWW1.

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